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Is An Ultra Wide Angle Lens Camera Worth The Investment for Real Estate?

Most real estate agents realize that the buying public is shifting away from newspapers and print marketing in favor of the internet.  It has been said many times that over 80% of all real estate consumers are using the internet as their primary method of searching for available homes BEFORE they ever contact a real estate professional.  This statistic is quite impressive and it leads me to a topic that I believe is worthy of discussing which is the use of digital camera wide angle lenses. 

This past weekend a real estate friend of mine from Colorado asked a group of us a question about digital cameras because she is about to make an investment and replace her current digital camera.  Her question caused me to do some serious thinking about her question and her needs so I wrote a blog titled "Digital Camera Wide Angle Lens Comparison".  The idea behind this blog was to share with some of my real estate friends and speakers a real life photo comparison using different camera lens settings so that everyone could actually see the differences.  I limited my photo examples to just four different photo views including a popular 35mm, 24mm, 17mm and an ultra wide 10mm photo.

After sharing my blog with our group several of the members asked if would be willing to post it on ActiveRain so here is a micro version of the blog and I am including a link to the original blog that I posted this past Saturday.  I hope that being able to see comparisons between the 4 different lens settings is helpful. 

35 mm digital photo image by Sam Miller

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

35mm photo example above.

24mm digital photo comparison by Sam Miller

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

24mm photo example above.

17mm digital photo example by Sam Miller

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

17mm photo example above

10mm digital photo comparison by Sam Miller

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10mm photo example above.

To view a more detailed example of this topic feel free to visit the original blog:  CLICK HERE.

Sam Miller of RE/MAX Stars Realty at www.SamMiller.net or 1-800-282-9096 

 

Comment balloon 36 commentsSam Miller • January 19 2009 03:04PM

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Not all the images would download but I am going to say yes the lens makes a huge difference. The quality of lens and size you gets speaks volumes for the shot.

Posted by Heather the Realtor Orlando, Lake Mary, First Time Home Buyers, Bank Owned Homes (LemonTree Realty) over 11 years ago

Wow, that's some difference.  Yes, I do think it is worth every penny.  I've never seen a really good 10mm picture before...my lens is 18mm.  Were you standing on a step stool with that?

Posted by Karen Rice, Northeast PA & Lake Wallenpaupack Home Sales (Davis R. Chant, REALTORS) over 11 years ago

Heather - Thanks for letting me know.  I am not sure why they didn't display because they did on my end.  I didn't want to alter the photos so that you saw the true example but if they are not loading correctly i will resize them all accordingly.  Thanks for letting me know.  If you are having problems viewing check out the blog link and maybe that will help.

Karen - The Canon 10-22mm camera lens is AWESOME.  I noted in my original blog topic that if you are using a flash it is best to set the lens at 14mm or you will gain a shadow in the photo.  I have been told that this can be solved using a multiple flash/slave setup.  If you are shooting on a tripod you can generally turn off the flash and adjust your camera settings and get an amazing photo. You had asked if we used a step stool and the answer is no, we took them at the same level but it may not look like it because of the difference in lenses.  If you take a closer look at the range/oven you will gain a common reference point.  Karen, did all the photos load ok for you?  

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 11 years ago

Yes, it is!  I keep wishing I had a wider lens when I take photos!

Posted by Ron Tarvin, Broker, Katy, Houston, Cypress 77450,77494,77095 (Residential, Investment properties, rehab projects, property management, luxury homes, new construction!) over 11 years ago

Yes, Yes, yes. This is on my list - one of the priorities to get, soon I hope. ~Rita

Posted by Brian Burke, Broker & Advising Expert-Denver Luxury Real Estate (Kenna Real Estate) over 11 years ago

Now imagine if you had a lens that wide on your digital video recorder...that would be the hot ticket for sure.

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 11 years ago

Sam

 

Great information Makes me re-think my camera situation again

Posted by Joe Jackson, Clintonville and Central Ohio Real Estate Expert (Keller Williams Capital Partners Realty) over 11 years ago

Hi Sam,

What a difference in those photo shots!

If more agents cared about what their clients' photos looked liked, I believe more homes would sell faster.

Posted by Dan Weis, Cincy Real Estate Advisor (Comey & Shepherd Realtors) over 11 years ago

Joe - I am happy to help you with your camera desires and since you are only an hour from me I can show you the ultra wide 10-22 lens.  My team members still can't believe it even after shooting photos inside my office with and without the wide lens.

Dan - I agree.  I think now that agents can actually see the different photos in this post and my prior blog it will become more of a priority.  I honestly believe that most agents haven't seen what a 10mm lens can do.  Something else I want to mention is that these photos were not color corrected so once we tweak the color a bit the pictures just right off the screen.

Here is a sample of 18 other photos we shot today for a historical new listing:  http://tinyurl.com/7r4f5u 

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 11 years ago

Sam ~ This post is so timely for me I can't believe it!  Just today I went online to read reviews on the Canon 10-22mm lens.  (This weekend I borrowed my neighbor's to see how it was and I loved it!)  Now, the question is -- where is a good place to buy it?  Looking online, there seems to be a wide variance in the prices -- and I'm not sure if those "online" retailers are reputable.  Do you have any suggestions for me?  I also want to buy a Canon Rebel XSi body for it.  Thanks for any advice you can give me on finding what I want, at a good price!

Posted by Maureen Bray Portland OR Home Stager ~ Room Solutions Staging, "Staging Consultations that Sell Portland Homes" (Room Solutions Staging, Portland OR) over 11 years ago

Maureen - I try my best to buy local if at all possible and I recommend you do the same if this is an option where you live.  Your local camera store more than likely will let you mount a lens to your camera in the store and take some sample shots within the store.  If you are going to purchase online or through a mail order I would buy at http://www.bhphotovideo.com/ for a purchase of this quality.  I bought a Sony 707 from them years ago when my local connection couldn't get one and BHphoto delivered the camera when promised and at the exact price without any attempt to bait and switch or upsell me.  You were mentioning my post being timely...speaking of timely, I was just watching the movie "Without Limits" which is about the legend Steve Prefontaine who was from Oregon and went to school in Eugene.  I have watched this movie probably 10 times and it is a true inspiration and motivation movie for me.

Sam Miller

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 11 years ago

Sam ~ Thanks very much for your suggestion.  I'm checking their website and will also check at a couple of local camera stores.  (By the way, Steve "Pre" is still considered an icon around here ... he inspired my son to be a long-distance runner during high school and college. I'll have to see that movie.) 

Posted by Maureen Bray Portland OR Home Stager ~ Room Solutions Staging, "Staging Consultations that Sell Portland Homes" (Room Solutions Staging, Portland OR) over 11 years ago

Terrific photos -- take some good equipment to make good photos.

Posted by Bob & Carolin Benjamin, East Phoenix Arizona Homes (Benjamin Realty LLC) over 11 years ago

Maureen - Steve Prefontaine is a sports icon in my opinion.  I never knew about the connection with Nike before watching that movie a couple of years ago.

Bob & Carol - You are right about good equipment making a difference especially when you are looking for an ultra wide view.  I got tired of not being able to use smaller bedroom and bath photos because I was only able to get a fractional view of these rooms.  The 10-22mm lens instantly solved this challenge.

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 11 years ago

Sam -- one more question if you don't mind:  would you recommend the 10-20mm lens from Sigma that is made for Canon cameras? It is several hundred dollars less than the Canon version.

Posted by Maureen Bray Portland OR Home Stager ~ Room Solutions Staging, "Staging Consultations that Sell Portland Homes" (Room Solutions Staging, Portland OR) over 11 years ago

Maureen, I have a professional photographer friend who had the Sigma 10-22mm, but later purchased the Canon and he likes it more.  From what I've read, the Sigma is a great lens, but the Canon is better.  My friend says there is less barrel distortion which reduces his post processing workload.  However, the Canon lens will cost you about 50% more than the Sigma.

Guys, you need to keep in mind that the 10mm lens is used on a cropped senor effectively making it a 16mm lens.  This is neither good nor bad.  It's just that one will need to multiply all the above focal lengths by 1.6 to get a 35mm film equivalent.

Posted by Lee Jinks (Jinks Realty) over 11 years ago

Maureen - I would stick with the Canon for the 10-22mm.  I know others who have had the Sigma and who also upgraded and eventually bought the Canon so based on their experience I just bought the Canon the first time.  

Lee - All good points.  I would love to see the 10mm on a film camera because that would be EVER wider.  The word WOW instantly comes to mind.

EVERYONE:  The photos in the above example were all taken digitally with the exact same camera body so only the difference between these photos are strictly the size of lens with no other changes.

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 11 years ago

Sam, if you put an EF-S lens on a full frame body, the corners would be black.  The lens projects a circle.  The sensor is a rectangle and therefore produces a rectangular image.  The circle projected from an EF-S lens such as the 10-22mm will not cover the entire rectangle of a full frame sensor such as the 5D or 1Ds because it's designed specifically for the smaller sensors.  The other problem is that the back of the lens is closer to the sensor so on a full frame camera, the mirror may strike the lens. (I would think that to be a bad thing.)

Here's someone else's take on the same subject.

Here's an article also written about the subject.

Here's a cool thing about an APS-C sensor camera body.  All lenses tend to be a little soft at the edges, so if you use a mediocer full frame lens on a cropped sensor body, you will only be using the best part of the lens, cropping out the fuzzy edges.  So you don't have to spend the big bucks on lenses that the full frame guys do to get great images.

Posted by Lee Jinks (Jinks Realty) over 11 years ago

Lee ~ Is what you are saying above have any impact on using the Canon 10-22mm lens with the Canon Rebel XSi?  I have to admit, being the beginner that I am, I don't understand the "lingo" yet. Any advice?  thanks much.  (my goal is to take nice photos for my staging portfolio)

Sam ~ Thanks for your feedback about the Canon vs Sigma.  I'll stick with Canon per your advice.

Posted by Maureen Bray Portland OR Home Stager ~ Room Solutions Staging, "Staging Consultations that Sell Portland Homes" (Room Solutions Staging, Portland OR) over 11 years ago

Maureen, the XSi is a cropped sensor body, so the EF-S lenses such as the 10-22mm are specifically designed for its sensor.  All the lenses designed for the Canon mount will fit on and work with a cropped sensor body.  It's when you have a full frame body such as the 5D that you have to make sure you don't try to use a '-S' lens.

I may have confused you even more.  Here's what YOU need to know.  The Canon XSi and Canon 10-22mm lens is a superb combination.  To me the next step would be the Nikon D700 and 14-24mm lens costing nearly $5,000.  The XSi combo should be around $1,200.

The Best Entry Level Real Estate Photography Combo

THE Best Real Estate Photography Camera-Lens Combo

 

Posted by Lee Jinks (Jinks Realty) over 11 years ago

Oh, and Maureen, I suggest you stop buy Circuit City today before they have no more inventory.  Circuit City is going out of business and liquidating their entire inventory.

Posted by Lee Jinks (Jinks Realty) over 11 years ago

It is very exciting to see so many visitors and comments on this topic.  Thanks!

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 11 years ago

Great. You have to much good stuff. I think I need to spend a ton of money on cameras and iphones. LOL

Posted by Terry Miller, Miller Homes Group and Tyler Apartment Locator (Miller Homes Group) over 11 years ago

Wow!  Thanks so much for the wonderful demonstration & the great advice Sam!

Posted by Jeff and Paulia Kennedy (Hot Springs 1st Choice Realty) over 11 years ago

In our MLS system, many wide angle photos have the fish bowl effect.  The most important factor of photos is to take non-blured photos with good angles will be better than spending money on wide angle lens.

Posted by David Slavin, CDPE, ABR, SRES Keller Williams Premier (Keller Williams Premier) over 11 years ago

David - I agree with you about poor quality photos hurting a sale more than helping a sale.  

However, I believe what you are describing in your comments above are photos that were taken with a cheaper and lower quality version of a wide angle lens instead of a higher quality lens such as the Canon.  There is a serious difference between the low price lenses and the quality units.  My blog title poses the question "Is An Ultra Wide Angle Lens Camera Worth The Investment For Real Estate" and I am sure that different people have different opinions of which they like better.  Personally I dislike the 35mm and the 24mm examples above when compared to the 10mm and the 17mm photos.  

Now consider that most pocket sized digital cameras come with a 25mm to 29mm lens on average.  These pocket cameras lose much of the viewable image and can not effectively capture the true size of a room (unless it's a huge mansion) anywhere near the way a quality wider angle 10mm-22mm lens can.  

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 11 years ago

WOW...what a difference that lense makes!  I need to get one , or cheaper yet, get a professional photographer that has one...

Great job at Star Power last week, loved the social networking session!

Posted by Pat Tasker, Your Milwaukee Metro Area Agent (WI) (Shorewest Realtors) about 11 years ago

Thanks for the great advice. The pictures really did the trick for me! I am in Stuart, Florida and many houses have great water views that a wide angle lens will make all the difference in the world. It is a pricey investment but I think it is totally worth it.

Posted by Peggy And Bob Cariddi (Coldwell Banker Residential Real Estate) almost 11 years ago

Pat - Thanks and I enjoyed doing the Denver Star Power event.  Those events are always so exciting and even when I participate on a panel I still learn a ton.  We are about to test using 3 flash units for even better photos.  We plan to have the Canon 580 mounted on my Canon DSLR and two Canon 430's mounted on tripods.  They will all flash together but will each highlight different locations of the room and cut down on the darker areas.  We have also played with the flash diffuser on the Canon 430 and that has helped cut down on the shadow effect that I was getting when I was shooting at 10mm setting.  

 

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 10 years ago

I know I am late on the uptake, but I just read your post about wide angle camera lens and wanted to thank you.  It is very helpful.  I would love to see some recommendations, as I am a camera novice.

Posted by Nicole Donaghy, Helping Families Home in Lexington and Columbia (Re/Max Purpose Driven) over 9 years ago

Check out my site www.relaestatecamera.info  I try to keep up on the latest comact digital cameras with 24mm lenses or less. I update the site once a month.

 

Posted by James DHaem (Dhaem Development LLC) over 9 years ago

James - Your url got twisted around so I reposted it:  www.realestatecamera.info.

Sam Miller

 

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 9 years ago

I am hoping to take this topic to a higher level in March when the new Canon 1DX is released.  The 1DX is a full frame camera with a big sensor and the wide angle will be EVER wider than using the 40D with the 10-22.  Exciting times ahead!

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) over 8 years ago

The wider angle lens setting on the 10-22 lens goes an excellent joe of showing a more realistic view of the room.  The 35mm and the 24 mm lenses typically found on the point and shoot type cameras just can't capture a wide enough interior view like the DSLR with the ultra wide angle lens can. 

Posted by Erica Miller over 8 years ago

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Posted by Paul Gapski, 619-504-8999,#1 Resource SD Relo (Berkshire Hathaway / Prudential Ca Realty) over 8 years ago

Today is a cold and snowy Day In Clintonville so  I will be on Active Rain!

Posted by Joe Jackson, Clintonville and Central Ohio Real Estate Expert (Keller Williams Capital Partners Realty) over 5 years ago

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